Legislature(1999 - 2000)

04/25/2000 05:05 PM House STA

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             HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 25, 2000                                                                                         
                            5:05 p.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Jeannette James, Chair                                                                                           
Representative Joe Green                                                                                                        
Representative Jim Whitaker                                                                                                     
Representative Bill Hudson                                                                                                      
Representative Scott Ogan                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Beth Kerttula                                                                                                    
Representative Hal Smalley                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 179                                                                                       
"An Act eliminating  the Alaska Public Offices  Commission and all                                                              
campaign  contribution and  expenditure  limits; transferring  the                                                              
administration  of lobbying, conflict  of interest,  and financial                                                              
disclosure statutes  from the Alaska Public Offices  Commission to                                                              
the  division of  elections;  relating  to reporting  of  campaign                                                              
contributions  and   expenditures;  defining   'full  disclosure,'                                                              
'purposely,'   'recklessly,'   and    'resident';   amending   the                                                              
definition  of  'contribution,' 'group,'  and  'political  party';                                                              
changing  the residency  requirements  for  candidates for  public                                                              
offices;  and providing  for criminal penalties  for violation  of                                                              
these provisions."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSSSHB 179(STA) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS ACTION                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 179                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: APOC REPEAL: CAMPAIGN/DISCLOSURE/LOBBYIST                                                                          
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVES(S) COGHILL, Sanders                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Jrn-Date    Jrn-Page           Action                                                                                           
 4/07/99       671     (H)  READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)                                                                   
 4/07/99       671     (H)  STA, JUD, FIN                                                                                       
 4/15/99               (H)  STA AT  8:00 AM CAPITOL 102                                                                         
 4/15/99               (H)  <BILL HEARING CANCELED>                                                                             
 4/19/99       866     (H)  SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE INTRODUCED                                                                       
 4/19/99       866     (H)  READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)                                                                   
 4/19/99       866     (H)  STA, JUD, FIN                                                                                       
 4/22/99               (H)  STA AT  8:00 AM CAPITOL 102                                                                         
 4/22/99               (H)  HEARD AND HELD                                                                                      
 4/22/99               (H)  MINUTE(STA)                                                                                         
 4/27/99               (H)  STA AT  8:00 AM CAPITOL 102                                                                         
 4/27/99               (H)  BILL CANCELED                                                                                       
 4/29/99               (H)  STA AT  8:00 AM CAPITOL 102                                                                         
 4/29/99               (H)  HEARD AND HELD                                                                                      
 4/29/99               (H)  MINUTE(STA)                                                                                         
 5/06/99               (H)  STA AT  8:00 AM CAPITOL 102                                                                         
 5/06/99               (H)  HEARD AND HELD                                                                                      
 5/06/99               (H)  MINUTE(STA)                                                                                         
 4/25/00               (H)  STA AT  2:00 PM CAPITOL 102                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
BROOKE MILES, Regulation of Lobbying                                                                                            
Alaska Public Offices Commission (APOC)                                                                                         
Department of Administration                                                                                                    
PO Box 110222                                                                                                                   
Juneau, Alaska 99811-0222                                                                                                       
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  on  Version I  of  SSHB 179  and                                                              
offered two amendments.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 00-36, SIDE A                                                                                                              
Number 0001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  JEANNETTE JAMES  called the  House  State Affairs  Standing                                                              
Committee meeting  to order at 5:05  p.m.  Members present  at the                                                              
call  to order  were Representatives  James,  Green, Whitaker  and                                                              
Hudson.    Representative  Ogan  arrived  as the  meeting  was  in                                                              
progress.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 179-APOC REPEAL: CAMPAIGN/DISCLOSURE/LOBBYIST                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAMES  announced that  the only order  of business  today is                                                              
SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE  FOR HOUSE  BILL NO.  179, "An Act  eliminating                                                              
the   Alaska   Public   Offices  Commission   and   all   campaign                                                              
contribution    and   expenditure    limits;   transferring    the                                                              
administration  of lobbying, conflict  of interest,  and financial                                                              
disclosure statutes  from the Alaska Public Offices  Commission to                                                              
the  division of  elections;  relating  to reporting  of  campaign                                                              
contributions  and   expenditures;  defining   'full  disclosure,'                                                              
'purposely,'   'recklessly,'   and    'resident';   amending   the                                                              
definition  of  'contribution,' 'group,'  and  'political  party';                                                              
changing  the residency  requirements  for  candidates for  public                                                              
offices;  and providing  for criminal penalties  for violation  of                                                              
these provisions."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GREEN   made  a  motion  to  adopt   the  proposed                                                              
committee   substitute  (CS),   Version   I  (1-LS0401\I,   Kurtz,                                                              
4/25/00), as the working draft.   There being no objection, it was                                                              
so ordered and Version I was before the committee.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0089                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL,  speaking as  the  sponsor  of SSHB  179,                                                              
pointed out  that Version  I is significantly  different  from the                                                              
original bill.   The  bill includes four  sections in  which three                                                              
things  are accomplished.   First,  page 1, line  10, inserts  the                                                              
word "exceeds".   Currently,  if someone  gives a contribution  of                                                          
$499.50,  that person  is required  to send in  a reporting  form.                                                              
With  the language  "exceeds",  the burden  of  reporting [for  an                                                          
amount  under $500]  is  switched to  the  person/group doing  the                                                              
campaigning.   On page 2,  line 25, AS  15.13.080, which  is being                                                              
repealed, is  actually the section  in statute that  requires that                                                              
the individual fill out the reporting form.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL turned to  Section 2, a new amendment to AS                                                              
15.13.090 to  exempt telephone  calls from  some of the  reporting                                                              
requirements.  In  some cases, he explained, APOC  had been saying                                                              
that a  telephone call soliciting  money for a fund  raiser should                                                              
have a disclaimer.  However, he understood  the statutes reference                                                              
to  "other  communications"  to  refer  to  the  use  of  computer                                                              
technology.  He related his belief  that it is probably an attempt                                                              
to  get  at  the  polling  problem.    Therefore,  this  amendment                                                              
clarifies the statute.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0363                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL  addressed Section  3.    He directed  the                                                              
committee to  page 2, line 10,  which eliminates the  reference to                                                              
AS 15.13.080(c),  which he  read as  follows:  "The  contributor's                                                              
statement shall  be filed with  the commission by  the contributor                                                              
no later  than 30 days  after the  contribution that  requires the                                                              
contributor to report under AS 15.13.040(d) is made."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAMES related  her understanding that the  change in Section                                                              
3  is the  second part  of the  aforementioned  change in  Section                                                              
1(A).                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  pointed out that [the  contribution] would                                                              
still be a cumulative amount.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN  noted that this version would  repeal all of                                                              
[AS 15.13].080.   He  asked if  that would  impact anything  other                                                              
than  reporting [amounts  that  exceed $500],  such  as having  to                                                              
report  in  excess  of  $100  in the  last  few  days  before  the                                                              
election.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL replied no;  he specified that it refers to                                                              
the individual  at the $500 level.   He read from  AS 15.13.080(a)                                                              
as follows:   "An  individual who  contributes  $500, or goods  or                                                              
services  with  a value  of  $500, to  a  candidate  shall file  a                                                              
contributor's statement as required  by this section."  Therefore,                                                              
he said,  the burden  is placed  on the  campaign rather  than the                                                              
contributor.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0683                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BROOKE  MILES,  Regulation  of  Lobbying,  Alaska  Public  Offices                                                              
Commission  (APOC), Department  of  Administration, remarked  that                                                              
since this [version]  just came about, staff has  done its best to                                                              
understand  it.    With respect  to  eliminating  the  contributor                                                              
reports  for candidates  and groups,  this would  mean that  there                                                              
would be nothing  available during certain reporting  periods.  If                                                              
HB 225 passes and governors are running  for four years, for three                                                              
of those  four years there  will be no  data available  that would                                                              
have been required  to be filed by the maximum  contributors under                                                              
current law  until the year end  report date, February 15  of each                                                              
year.   Therefore,  the  public  will  not have  that  information                                                              
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILES related  her understanding of the new CS  in that people                                                              
who contribute  money  to a candidate  will never  be required  to                                                              
file a  report because they can  only contribute $500,  which also                                                              
applies to a political action committee  (PAC).  However, a person                                                              
who contributes substantial  amounts to a party  would be required                                                              
to file  a disclosure report.   She did  note that the  portion of                                                              
the  law  requiring  the  reporting  of  independent  expenditures                                                              
remains intact.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILES turned  to the issue of telephone calls.   She said APOC                                                              
staff have  never told people  to say  that the telephone  call is                                                              
paid  for by  "Joe Blow  for candidate."    Staff have  instructed                                                              
folks to  identify by  name who the  caller is.   She pointed  out                                                              
that when  computers perform the  calling, one can't even  ask who                                                              
is calling.   For example,  there was  a [computer] call  [without                                                              
any identification] that reminded  folks to come to a fund raiser,                                                              
and staff recommended mentioning  the campaign on whose behalf the                                                              
call  was being  placed.   To  that end,  staff  did develop  some                                                              
alternative language;  there are two choices.   Ms. Miles informed                                                              
the committee that the only problem  that staff could determine in                                                              
regard to  the language in  the CS is that  if it were  a negative                                                              
computer call  performed in the closing  days of the  campaign, it                                                              
could  be  extremely  dangerous and  difficult  to  determine  the                                                              
origin of such a call.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1003                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  JAMES   remarked  that  she   has  always  felt   that  the                                                              
responsibility   of   reporting   these   funds   would   be   the                                                              
responsibility of  the person receiving  the funds.   However, she                                                              
understands [Ms. Miles] to be saying  that the people contributing                                                              
the funds should report them so that  people know.  Therefore, she                                                              
asked what problem  would exist with full disclosure  that doesn't                                                              
currently  exist.   She related  her belief  that full  disclosure                                                              
seems more important  than any of the other things  included.  She                                                              
asked  how often  would one  be required  to report  contributions                                                              
without causing extra time and effort to APOC.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILES  responded that more disclosure  by the candidate  is an                                                              
excellent  idea, and  with  electronic filing  that  could be  [an                                                              
appropriate   decision].    She   acknowledged  that   many  other                                                              
legislators  share Chair James'  concern in  regard to  the burden                                                              
being on the contributor.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAMES  asked if there  are any  statistics in regard  to the                                                              
number   of   people   who  failed   to   [file   their   campaign                                                              
contributions] and what has been done to those people.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MILES  replied,   "The  commission  has  held   harmless,  in                                                              
moratorium,  anyone who files  late, although  we do request  that                                                              
they file  when we  catch up with  the paperwork."   She  said she                                                              
doesn't   believe  that  civil penalties  have  been assessed  for                                                              
delinquent filing  on contributor reports.  The  commission shared                                                              
some of the aforementioned concerns  regarding the burden being on                                                              
the person who  already contributed.  She noted that  it was never                                                              
subject  to  a  fine  before  campaign  finance  reform  occurred.                                                              
However,  the requirement  was different  before campaign  finance                                                              
reform:    as  APOC  staff  caught   up  the  two  databases,  the                                                              
contributor would be notified that  he/she had not filed and there                                                              
was a request to  do so.  Still, civil penalties  were not part of                                                              
the statute for late filing or for not filing.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAMES  commented that those  giving large contributions  are                                                              
probably more  astute about the  rules and regulations.   However,                                                              
other contributors may not understand  the need to file, which has                                                              
bothered  her.    She  related  her   belief  that  the  reporting                                                              
requirements should  be the [candidate's] responsibility,  not the                                                              
contributor's  responsibility;  therefore,  she agreed  with  this                                                              
change,  which  perhaps  would  also  make  disclosure  easier  to                                                              
accomplish next  year.  Chair James  remarked that she  has always                                                              
been  interested   in  disclosure,  which  she   felt  would  keep                                                              
candidates up on reporting.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1343                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HUDSON  related his  understanding  of Ms.  Miles'                                                              
testimony  that adoption  of this  CS with  the language  "exceeds                                                          
[contributions  of]  $500"  would  mean  that there  would  be  no                                                              
reports  because individuals  cannot  contribute  more than  $500.                                                              
However, he pointed  out, such contributions would  be reported in                                                              
the candidate's APOC 30-day report.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.   MILES  indicated   agreement   and   specified  [that   such                                                              
contributions would  be reported in the] 30-day,  7-day and 10-day                                                              
reports.  She further agreed that  the public can obtain copies of                                                              
those  reports,  but  that  information  would  not  be  available                                                              
between January 1 of the calendar  year and late July of that year                                                              
when the first report is filed.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON  understood, then, that prior  to the 30-day                                                              
report no  information would be  available.  However,  he supposed                                                              
that  under  the   current  situation  one  could   request  [such                                                              
information] from APOC.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MILES  agreed  and  remarked   that  people  can  search  the                                                              
database.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1450                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAMES pointed out that there  is an amendment, 1-LS0401\I.1,                                                              
Kurtz, 4/25/00,  which changes  the $100 to  $200.  She  explained                                                              
that currently,  those who  make contributions  in an amount  less                                                              
than $100  don't have  to list their  name.   The $100  amount has                                                              
been there since 1975, and thus she  felt that an increase to $200                                                              
would  be appropriate.    She noted  that  factoring in  inflation                                                              
would place that at $209.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN  moved that the committee adopt  Amendment 1,                                                              
labeled 1-LS0401\I.1, Kurtz, 4/25/00, which read as follows:                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, following line 3:                                                                                                  
          Insert new bill sections to read:                                                                                     
    "* Section 1.  AS 15.13.040(a) is amended to read:                                                                        
               (a)  Except as provided in (g) of this section,                                                                  
     each  candidate shall make a full report, upon a form                                                                      
     prescribed by the commission,  listing the date and amount of                                                              
     all expenditures  made by the candidate, the  total amount of                                                              
     all  contributions, including  all funds  contributed by  the                                                              
     candidate,  and  for  all contributions  in  excess  of  $200                                                          
     [$100] in the aggregate a year,  the name, address, principal                                                              
     occupation, and employer of  the contributor and the date and                                                              
     amount contributed by each contributor.   The report shall be                                                              
     filed in accordance with AS  15.13.110 and shall be certified                                                              
     correct by the candidate or campaign treasurer.                                                                            
    * Sec. 2.  AS 15.13.040(b) is amended to read:                                                                            
               (b)  Each group shall make a full report upon a                                                                  
     form  prescribed by the commission, listing                                                                                
                    (1)  the name and address of each officer and                                                               
     director;                                                                                                                  
                    (2)       the   aggregate   amount    of   all                                                              
     contributions   made  to it;  and, for  all contributions  in                                                              
     excess of  $200  [$100]  in the  aggregate a year,  the name,                                                          
     address,   principal   occupation,   and  employer   of   the                                                              
     contributor,  and the  date  and amount  contributed by  each                                                              
     contributor;  and                                                                                                          
                    (3)  the date and amount of all contributions                                                               
     made by it and all expenditures  made, incurred or authorized                                                              
     by it."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 4:                                                                                                            
          Delete "Section 1"                                                                                                  
          Insert "Sec. 3"                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
[End of Amendment 1]                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILES  commented that from  a public policy  standpoint, there                                                              
will be fewer names available to the public.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HUDSON  remarked   that  simple  inflation  [would                                                              
support this increase to $200].                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN asked if the  people that come in and look at                                                              
these reports are the public or people working on campaigns.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILES specified  that it is an online searchable  database and                                                              
thus  the commission  doesn't  know.   People  who  come into  the                                                              
office sometimes  are in the  campaign business, sometimes  may be                                                              
considering running for office, and  sometimes they merely want to                                                              
know this information.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAMES  asked if there was  any objection to the  adoption of                                                              
Amendment 1.  There being no objection, Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAMES pointed  out that there are two amendments  offered by                                                              
Ms. Miles.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1740                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WHITAKER  related his belief that  the concern lies                                                              
with  polling telephone  communications.   Therefore,  he felt  it                                                              
would  be appropriate  to  consider  a conceptual  amendment  that                                                              
deals with that.   He acknowledged that it is  annoying to receive                                                              
a call in the  middle of the night; he expressed  the need for the                                                              
public to know who is behind such a poll.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAMES  informed the committee  that the sponsor of  SSHB 179                                                              
liked Ms. Miles' [first] amendment, which read as follows:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     [Page  2, line  6, delete  (c);  insert] "(c)  Telephone                                                                   
     communications  need only be  identified by the  name of                                                                   
     the  candidate,  group  or  individual  paying  for  the                                                                   
     communication."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILES  explained  that under  the current  law, polls are  not                                                              
subject  to [AS  15.13].090 because  the  purpose of  polls is  to                                                              
gather  information rather  than to  influence the  outcome of  an                                                              
election.  She  noted that APOC has received more  calls regarding                                                              
polls  than  unidentified campaign  calls.    Ms. Miles  said  she                                                              
believes  that it needs  a broader  scope of  amendment within  AS                                                              
15.13[.090].                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAMES commented  that she has surmised that  "we" are moving                                                              
in the direction of trying to manage  by polls, which she believes                                                              
are persuasive  and suggestive.   People being  polled may  take a                                                              
position that they never had taken  before the question was asked.                                                              
Therefore,  she is totally  opposed to  such polls.   In  her last                                                              
newsletter  she  had noted  that  any  polls she  conducted  would                                                              
request narrative  responses.  She agreed that  polling has gotten                                                              
out of  hand, but she  didn't know how  that could be  remedied in                                                              
SSHB 179.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1947                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WHITAKER  agreed that  this  is  probably not  the                                                              
appropriate  bill  in  which  to  address  this.    Therefore,  he                                                              
withdrew the notion of a conceptual amendment.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  JAMES restated  the first  amendment offered  by Ms.  Miles                                                              
[see above].                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WHITAKER  remarked  that  the  language  begs  the                                                              
question in regard to what is a communication.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAMES read AS 15.13.090(a):                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     (a) All advertisements, billboards,  handbills, paid-for                                                                   
     television   and    radio   announcements    and   other                                                                   
     communications intended  to influence the election  of a                                                                   
     candidate  or   outcome  of  a  ballot   proposition  or                                                                   
     question shall be clearly identified  by the words "paid                                                                   
     for  by"  followed  by  the  name  and  address  of  the                                                                   
     candidate,   group   or  individual   paying   for   the                                                                   
     advertising.   In addition,  candidates and groups  must                                                                   
     identify the name of their campaign chairman.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  JAMES then  read the  new  subsection (c)  created by  this                                                              
proposed CS [Version I], as follows:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     (c) The provisions  of (a) of this section  do not apply                                                                   
     to a telephone call.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
She reread the first amendment [see above] offered by Ms. Miles.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  JAMES informed  the  committee  that the  second  amendment                                                              
offered by Ms. Miles read as follows:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     [Page  2, line 6]  (c) The provisions  in (a)  requiring                                                                   
     disclosure of  the address and campaign chairman  of the                                                                   
     candidate   or  group   do   not  apply   to   telephone                                                                   
     communications.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON  remarked that he liked the  first amendment                                                              
[see above].                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  indicated he also preferred  it because it                                                              
is explicit  as to what is  required for telemarketing.   However,                                                              
if someone  is calling someone  soliciting contributions,  that is                                                              
(indisc.-   faint)  factor,   which   is  not   always  true   for                                                              
telemarketing.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAMES asked whether members  were thinking that the language                                                              
in subsection (c)  of the proposed CS [Version  I] is appropriate.                                                              
She said she  read the [second] amendment offered  by Ms. Miles to                                                              
merely  insert   the  language   that  subsection  (a)   includes.                                                              
Therefore,  she  doesn't  believe  this  amendment  does  anything                                                              
different.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HUDSON  disagreed.   If  the current  language  of                                                              
subsection (c) in  the proposed CS is used, he said,  then no name                                                              
or identification  has to be used  in a telephone call.   However,                                                              
the amendment specifies what [one  must say], and that is the only                                                              
requirement.  He agreed with Ms. Miles' first amendment.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  JAMES noted  Representative  Ogan's  presence and  recapped                                                              
what the committee had done thus far.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 2295                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON moved that  the committee adopt Amendment 2,                                                              
[Ms. Miles' first proposed amendment], which read as follows:                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 6,                                                                                                            
          Delete subsection (c)                                                                                                 
          Insert  "(c)  Telephone   communications  need                                                                        
          only  be   identified  by  the  name   of  the                                                                        
          candidate, group or individual  paying for the                                                                        
          communication."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, Amendment 2 was adopted.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  JAMES,  in  response  to  a  query,  noted  that  the  next                                                              
committee of referral is the House Judiciary Committee.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGAN  asked, "If no one is paying  for the call, if                                                              
I'm calling  people up,  do I  have to  say that  I paid for  this                                                              
call?"                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILES  explained that  generally a person  making calls  for a                                                              
campaign will  identify the  candidate on  whose behalf  he/she is                                                              
calling.  She acknowledged that every  individual has the right to                                                              
pick up a phone to call whomever and say whatever.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OGAN  announced   that  since  the  committee  has                                                              
already discussed this, he would  accept the committee's judgment.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 2432                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON  made a motion  to move CSSSHB  179, version                                                              
1-LS0401\I,  Kurtz, 4/25/00,  as  amended, out  of committee  with                                                              
individual recommendations and the  accompanying zero fiscal note.                                                              
He requested unanimous consent.   There being no objection, it was                                                              
so ordered and CSSSHB 179(STA) was moved from the House State                                                                   
Affairs Standing Committee.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
State Affairs Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 5:40                                                                  
p.m.                                                                                                                            

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